Mythbusting - The Pentyrch Saga - Home Truths
THE PENTYRCH SAGA
Introduction
In the early hours of 26th February 2016, an event occurred at Pentyrch to the north of Cardiff and witnessed by two people, Caz Clarke and Dave. The details have been well documented since, and for the purpose of brevity, these won’t be described here.
SUFON got involved in October 2017, Caz and Dave being met and interviewed by Emlyn Williams. This started a period of investigation, and involved Emlyn Williams, Mike Maunder and Gari Jones. Gari later left SUFON to undertake the work with Caz only, and SUFON’s involvement ceased for a period. The reason for this will become apparent to the reader as this article will show.
Caz instigated a renewal of involvement of Emlyn Williams and Mike Maunder in the spring of 2021, but this was short lived. By coincidence, about that time, new witnesses came forward, approaching SUFON. They were in possession of photographs and, as it transpired, a video of lights that were seen, taken on the same night as Pentyrch, but approximately 15 miles to the south-west.
The witnesses were nervous that their identity might become public knowledge, and were thinking about releasing the photographs through another avenue at the time. Emlyn introduced the witnesses to Caz and Dave, and photographs were shared. Caz was over the moon that the Pentyrch Incident now seemed to have corroborative evidence backing it up. Once the witness had given permission for the photographs to be released to the public, Caz posted them on Facebook.
Unfortunately she made no mention of SUFON’s part in the proceedings. Even though Mike had told her that the photos should be released jointly with SUFON as a joint exercise, after the metadata had been checked, it was apparent that Caz wanted to go it alone from this point onwards..
A day or two later the new witnesses contacted Emlyn to say that one of the images which had been posted on Facebook, had the witness’ location on it - map and coordinates. Caz was made aware of this and the photos were taken down off Facebook. In the meantime SUFON had checked the metadata and these were proved as being taken on 26 February 2016.
Strangely, Caz started pushing for the original photos to be emailed so that they could be verified, even though she already had them shared to her phone via bluetooth. The witness was slow in sending them however (understable bearing in mind the previous publishing incident - not professional behaviour!), as Caz jumped the gun with a public demand on Facebook that they be given to her. Weirdly, at the same time she was also declaring that the photos were fake!
That didn’t go down well with the witnesses and Emlyn attempted to calm them down. He and Mike weren’t impressed either.
The witness later told Emlyn that the video, which he’d previously said had been deleted in error, was still in his possession on his phone. Emlyn went to meet him and his wife, and was shown a short segment on their phone, held in the witness’ hand, through the open window of his car. Emlyn told Caz about the video and she was both excited and angry because the witness had previously told her that the video had been deleted. When told about the video by the witness, Emlyn was informed that the reason he had said it had been deleted was because he was somewhat wary of Caz’s intentions, especially because it was their first meeting, and was understandably holding back.
Emlyn, being the principal contact with the witnesses, was honouring the witness’ request that their identity should not be shared with anyone, including Caz. Caz’s phone number was passed to the witness at her request, should the witness decide to contact her. Tact and diplomacy was needed, and Emlyn preferred not to push him too quickly to get a copy of the video.
After a few weeks, sadly, Caz lost any patience she might have had, together with any reason and tact. She publicly declared that SUFON and Emlyn Williams in particular were holding on to the video, declaring that this was for their/his own glory. There was, in fact no truth in this statement.
Incredulously, Gari Jones then joined her in a series of rants against Emlyn and SUFON, both written and verbal, on podcasts, articles and even in their book, which was published towards the end of 2021.
Fictions and non-truths have been added by them in the months since, to such an extent that it is obvious that this is a sustained campaign of character assassination and slander. Even accusing SUFON itself of carrying out an uncorroborated hate campaign against them. This was pure projection, as neither SUFON, Emlyn nor Mike had made any public statements or comments against them whatsoever. Any negative press that Caz or Gari have had, has been from individuals acting by their own volition.
SUFON, Emlyn and Mike have remained completely silent on the matter, not even choosing to answer insulting personal messages that were received from Caz and Gari.
Caz’s fantasies against SUFON have subsequently been matched with her embellishment and dubious suppositions in the Pentyrch Incident account to such an extent that, in SUFON’s opinion, she cannot now be thought of as a credible witness. Her book contains many of these embellishments, now stated as facts that were not in her original statement. Also the book is interspersed with personal attacks against Emlyn.
This article, written mainly by Mike Maunder, added to, checked and proof-read by Emlyn Williams and peers, is our truthful response. We always endeavour to investigate professionally, and in confidence, each incident that we receive information on and research all aspects pertaining to it and the credibility of potential witnesses, as far as we are able.
Emlyn Williams
The saga begins
Maybe we should have come forward sooner, but things have escalated to such an extent that there has been a torrent of abuse of a slanderous and libellous nature against Swansea UFO Network, and of two members in particular: Mike Maunder and Emlyn Williams. This is the truth and without prejudice.
This is a SUFON response, written on the whole by Mike Maunder to recent and ongoing character assassination, slander, disinformation, libel and bending of facts and out-right fantasy by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones.
Emlyn's statement on 28th Feb 2022 is our only one released until now. The spreading of lies and disinformation about us has gone too far so, we want to tell the truth from our side.
Sequence of Events:
We parted ways with Caz Clarke & Gari Jones back in October 2018, after we were asked to do a presentation at the Cornish UFO Conference and ever since then we`ve had very little interest in The Pentyrch Saga at all. We were glad to part ways and get away from it as it was way too stressful, we had to walk on eggshells as anything we`d say would get twisted or taken the wrong way.
Working with the a witness such as Caz, who approached the subject with a large amount of bias was not helpful and we now recognise the problems that can transpire. Mike had a couple of disagreements and left the investigation twice before it was concluded.
One of them was when Mike had written an article (which took around a week) which was sent to Chris Evers of Outer Limits Magazine, Mike mentioned it in the group and Caz then contacted Chris Evers and told him not to publish Mike`s article so she could do one herself!
A learning curve which is sometimes difficult to negotiate. Gari called her out in the early stages in late 2017/early 2018, as he was having his doubts. He then joined the SUFON team to investigate it with us.
{"He would do well to remember who it was that gave him all the lifts (Emlyn) to and from Pentyrch/Smilog for the investigations. And if it hadn’t been for SUFON, he wouldn`t have been able to do any field research as Gari doesn`t drive."}
About a day after Emlyn and Mike came back from the conference in Truro, there were stories going around from Caz about SUFON.
Apparently she said that when they arrived at the conference, Mike had called her friend Steve, who had driven them down to Cornwall, a ‘Joe’ (whatever that was supposed to mean but she said it was a derogatory name for a skivvy).
In fact, what Mike had said to Steve was ‘chauffeur'. It was a light hearted comment which they both laughed at, at the time. Even the event organiser called Steve a bodyguard and had a little laugh.
This is when the public attacks against SUFON started.
After that, it was decided to step back and leave Caz and Gari get on with what they wanted to do. It was clear they did not want to work with SUFON so we left them to it.
During the investigation on the Pentyrch Incident, SUFON was contacted by a Special Force soldier based at St.Athan who was on the exercise that night. Emlyn went to meet him and took notes.
The soldier explained that it was an exercise and he hadn`t seen any UFO or had heard any talk about any afterwards (that’s not saying there weren’t any – it’s just his own personal experience).
He said he was woken up around midnight and was transported by vehicle, being dropped off around 12 miles from Llantrisant and then had to make his way there on foot, in the company of others in his squad, to free a ‘hostage’ by blowing a door off an industrial building in Llantrisant.
He did stipulate that it was that night of 26th February 2016 and not a daytime exercise, which took place a few months later (which Richard D. Hall had witnessed from a distance).
This didn`t go down too well with Caz and Gari and they instantly started to make out that the soldier was only there to cover it up and Emlyn shouldn`t have gone to meet him.
When you are doing an investigation you have to explore all the leads you find. In no way was it implied that the explosion that blew the lock on the door was the cause of the explosion felt in the hospital, but Caz said that that was what Emlyn was saying. He did not.
Talking of Richard D. Hall, he was also attacked by Caz at times as he was of the opinion it was just a military exercise. Gari originally was of the opinion that it was a military exercise, until Emlyn posted a first report of the incident. Then Gari started coming around to the idea that it might have been something more.
Another supposed witness: Mike Henbury has never been found, even though he was apparently living in the village. This is a bit strange and even now he still hasn’t come forward, even anonymously.
Mike Henbury had posted his account of that night on South Wales Awakening website 8 days after 26th on the 6th of March. Emlyn contacted the Admin of South Wales Awakening in an attempt to track him down but was told that Mike has since deactivated his account.
This was about 18 months or so after his post on the website. The write up itself was more or less exactly what was described by Caz Clarke, so much so that it could have been written by herself.
There`s no proof that she did, but the fact he`s never come forward even after a leaflet drop to all the houses nearby and on Tyn-Y-Coed Road (which skirts the incident in the field), does make one think.
When Emlyn initially met with the Pentyrch witnesses, Caz and Dave in October 2017, and got the story from their own mouths, Emlyn noticed the similarity of Mike Henbury’s account and the words that Caz used.
At the time Emlyn thought it was corroborative evidence. It could well be corroborative evidence, but unless Mike Henbury can be found, we’ll never know one way or the other.
As we’re on the subject of the initial meeting, Emlyn did go alone, (there was no one hiding in the bushes! like Caz has since claimed, which is laughable). Mike Hopkins was also present, not that Caz mentioned that, he being an interested party, living a few miles away.
Emlyn wrote up his report from the facts given, which was then given to Caz and Dave to proof read before it went public on SUFON’s Facebook page.
Emlyn never said that
this was just for his own notes. The intention from the beginning was to
present it to the public, which is what is done with all the cases that SUFON
reports on. Caz Clarke has since said that Emlyn double-crossed her by publicising it. Caz Clarke contacted SUFON in the first instance and she was informed it was going public.
If Emlyn hadn’t made the effort to meet, (Steve Drewson wasn’t interested when he learned about the conditions to be met such as putting phones, recording devices, pens etc in a bag. Mike wasn`t notified till after Emlyn had met Caz), maybe the world wouldn’t have known about the Pentyrch Incident.
Fast Forward to 2021
Out of the blue Caz contacted us and asked to meet up, as sceptical as we were we met up as Caz seemed to have changed. During this meeting Caz apologised for her behaviour in the past and said she`d just done a programme with Netflix, it would go viral and we`d be in demand. It was also mentioned that there would be a movie deal and a book, and we would have no money worries again.
As we parted on good terms both Mike & Emlyn thought that movie talk was a bit far fetched and we weren`t that bothered about it, as we weren't in this field to make money out of it. A couple of weeks later everything changed.
The Golden Ticket
Around 21st May SUFON was emailed by a witness claiming that he and his wife had a sighting a few miles away from Pentyrch and that they had photos taken on the same night as Caz & Dave`s sighting. He gave a brief account.
Emlyn had seen the email and phoned Mike. The witness then sent 5 images via Whatsapp, Mike and Emlyn checked the metadata/exif but it only showed the data of the day it was sent/whatsapp date rather than the original date. We mulled it over for a couple of days as we knew the implications it had and we had to tell Caz and Dave. As it happens things were going slowly as we weren`t pressurising the witnesses and Emlyn was busy with work and also had car trouble, which delayed the visit to the witnesses.
1 June 2021
About a month later Emlyn and Mike met up with the witnesses and had a conversation of around 30-45 minutes. During this conversation it was quite clear and apparent that the witnesses were terrified of being targeted as Caz had made claims of being threatened previously. These were now sensitive and frightened witnesses (an audio recording was made of the interview with the witness' consent as proof ), also they did not wish to be named as they live in a small community.
We then immediately went up to Pentyrch, at Emlyn's suggestion, so they could meet Caz and Dave. Emlyn rang Caz to give her the good news, and Mike messaged her. They were introduced and this is when Caz downloaded 4 or 5 images from the witness`s phone, directly from his Google drive via bluetooth.
We hadn`t got 20 minutes back down the M4 when Mike recieved 2 messages asking if we about new witnesses to Pentyrch, Caz had posted onto facebook even though she was told to wait so we could do a joint release.
We do have audio of Caz talking to the witness about him having the photo`s on his phone, just after this Caz downloaded images via bluetooth.
This is something we didn`t have at this stage as we'd only had them via Whatsapp and
unable to verify. The metadata only shows the Whatsapp date, and we were waiting for them
to be emailed.
This is when Caz had the Golden Ticket in her hand.
It was again apparent that the new witnesses were terrified of being threatened as they`d seen a video of Caz saying that she`d been threatened. Caz was told she couldn`t share the photo`s as we had to check with the witnesses first to get permission as there was a bit of confusion if she could or couldn`t share.
Caz had said we need to work as a team because we had her Golden Ticket but we are totally independent from her as we were the new witness' point of contact. We were all for giving Caz and Gari everything we got but it would take time. As it turned out, Caz singlehandedly collapsed the case as you`ll find out.
What happened next
We were starting to be hassled by Caz to ask the new witnesses if she could release the images, as she couldn`t wait to do it the same time jointly. Mike had said no but Caz kept asking Emlyn to ask the witness if she could post the images. This he did, and the witness said yes.
Caz then shared all the images on Facebook, in which it came across that she had found the witnesses. There was zero mention of SUFON. But she didn't check the photos first.
After Caz had posted them we were contacted franticly by the witnesses as Caz had shared an image which should never ever have been shared on a public domain: the location of the anonymous sensitive, terrified witnesses. The latitude and longitude, with a map of the exact area where they live was alongside one of the photos. As you can imagine the witnesses were livid and we were also less than impressed. Emlyn rang Caz immediately and she deleted the photos from her page.
If Caz could have waited like she was originally told to by Mike, we could have taken our time, verified the images and then have done a joint release. This release of sensitive data would not have happened (these images with the map of witness' location was again shared by Caz on the 11/02/22!)
We then struggled to get the original photos, but we did manage to get the first five over a period of time. At the same time, Emlyn had made arrangements to receive further photos and was then told that the witnesses had a video taken on the night in question, which had previously been believed to have been deleted in error. At the meeting, through a car window, Emlyn was shown around 10 seconds of footage from the video played on the witness' phone.
Emlyn told Caz that there was a video, and that hopefully we will be able to get a copy. But the witness wanted to have full control of when and where it would be published, but said he'd send us it. So we waited.
Caz said to tell him that he could make money from it to chase him up. There would be a film forthcoming etc. and royalties, to get the video in her possession but the witnesses said they could do that themselves if they wanted money but were now very cautious due to Caz sharing photos and possible threats that could occur if their identity were to be made public. She also asked Emlyn to pass on her phone number to the witness, which he did.
Emlyn messaged the witness from time to time for progress, but would not pressurise them, as he felt that that would be counter-productive.
The next thing we knew Caz Clarke made a public post attacking the witnesses calling them fake, that the photos are fake, and that the video is fake. Total disrespect to any witness.
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This was when the Golden Ticket got released from Caz`s grasp while running and dancing, she slipped, tripped over and released into the air, the Ticket got blown upwards and away, never to be seen again!
Emlyn immediately contacted the witnesses and apologised, stating that Caz's outburst had nothing to do with SUFON. They had seen it and were far from happy.
A couple of days later Caz publicly attacked SUFON. Because we were not amused at what Caz had done, and wouldn`t talk to them as they had caused the case to collapse. Emlyn received a tirade of accusations from Caz, accusing him of keeping the video to himself, for his own 'glory'!
The new witnesses had completely shut up shop and went silent. Just before that we had received 2 more images via Whatsapp and were waiting to verify those along with the video.
We were forced to post the images that we had. The same ones that Caz had previously posted and had taken down (but this time minus the coordinates!). With unverified images and seeing as the case had collapsed, we couldn`t verify much and lost more vital evidence which could have been provided by the video and more photo`s.
Caz has subsequently released these images again on 10th February 2022.
Mike had posted the images in a secret FB research group we had, the day after we`d taken the witnesses up to meet Caz and Dave. They were both sent Whatsapp images by Mike.
One of the images should never, ever have been in the public domain and we can`t stress this enough.
These images are from page 2 of the Metabunk post about Pentrych Incident:
This image shows Mick West, Mad Hatter and Deirdre, discussing the image that Caz should never have released which had the witness' location. They can see the seriousness of what Caz had done and picked up on what had been said somewhere about witnesses not being happy. The witnesses wanted to remain anonymous.
Series of txt messages between Caz and Mike on the 1st June 2021:
CAZ: Mike will you bring your USB tonight so we can upload the pics pretty please I am so excited 5 hours to go
MIKE: Should be able to bluetooth but I'll be putting all info I got into Pentyrch group tomorrow . Dave keeps asking me if I've left yet
CAZ: Bluetooth will be fantastic and have you left yet? This is as exciting as when it happened
MIKE: Nope told Gari Emlyns van is kaput and has to go in garage to be fixed (which it has) and told him it was postponed till its fixed. He's not going to like it it tomorrow when I post but all the information will be there and he'll be involved. It's dragging somewhat lol, like I said to Dave both of you were witness and only right that both of you met the witnesses, in fact he'd asked to go to Pentyrch to have a look after we'd met him, just made total sense to invite both of you. Thanks for dropping that in, as if there's not enough to think about lol
CAZ: If he still has the same phone or equipment even if he has deleted it its never really gone and can be retrieved. I know, it could easily be saved in cloud, Google drive, one drive, iPhone, Dropbox etc or any other he might have used. It's one of the questions well be asking when we meet him. It will still be on his phone even if it is deleted it can be retrieved xx "
And here is Caz later claiming that the images look nothing like what she saw and starting to call witnesses fake, not because she was told to remove an image because it shouldn`t of been there, just to deflect it away from that and twist it into something else.
In a text message to Mike:
Caz would like you to think that SUFON hadn`t shared the originals with her and she`s not mentioned anything about the above. We had to wait for them to be emailed, as we only had the Whatsapp images, unlike Caz who had down-loaded them directly from the witness.
Caz is THE reason why the case collapsed and in our opinion she has proved to be unreliable as a witness. She jumps to conclusions without any evidence to support them.
As you can see Caz has not been telling the truth about how she got hold of the images.
Again, Caz needs to be truthful and not twist things to fit her narrative. She has obviously not told anyone she downloaded five images from the witness via Bluetooth and she's constantly made out that we wouldn`t give her the images to verify.
Lets have a look at this book, 'The Pentyrch Incident' and get some facts straight, as Caz and Gari certainly haven`t been truthful.
OCTOBER 2017
"For 20 months Mr Gari Jones, having read my comments on Wales Online, had been trying desperately to find me. It should not have been difficult; I was actually on Facebook. But for every search he conducted, he could not find me! Yet, I was there the whole time! It was as if somehow, I had been deliberately blocked by Facebook, so that people could not find me or contact me.
It was, in fact, only when a man called Emlyn posted a blog on Facebook, to say that he was intending to do a sky watch on top of the Garth Mountain, that he was able to find me, simply because I had placed a oneline comment underneath to say, “It is a good place to be.” Emlyn contacted me on my Facebook messenger.
I did not want to meet with him. Since my interrogation by Wales Online, I did not want to talk to anyone about it. After Emlyn assured me, everything would be ok, I reluctantly agreed to meet with him. I had placed so many conditions on him, for my own safety, I was sure he would not come. "
The 'blog' referred to was actually a post by Swansea UFO Network on Facebook planning a skywatch on Garth Mountain. As you can see below, it was on 12 August and there`s no comments by or any mention of Caz Clark.
Caz Clarke contacted Emlyn and Emlyn accepted Caz`s message on 25th September 2017 at 10 57am and not how she has claimed above. Caz/Emlyn`s PM`s show this.
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" Some of the conditions included: he must come alone, not to record me, not to take photographs and to place all phones and watches in a bag because I was afraid. When I met with Emlyn, he gave me some assurances that I would be safe, and I felt that I could trust him, but sadly I was wrong. He did not come alone. I trusted Emlyn but he had betrayed me already.
Furthermore, there were people hiding in the hedgerows and fields watching
unbeknown to me at the time. I know one of the people he brought with him
was Mike Maunder and I have my suspicions as to the other. I took Emlyn
to the entry field and showed him the sketches I had made of the objects I
had seen. I also showed him the covert military camp photographs in my
possession."
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
The truth is that Emlyn did go alone (there was no one hiding in the bushes!). Mike Hopkins was also present, he being an interested party, living a few miles away, and accompanied by his son. Dave was also there, and friends, Steve and Donna.
Emlyn never said that this was just for his own notes. He later wrote up his report from the facts given, which was then given to Caz and Dave to proof read before it went public on SUFON’s Facebook page - which is our normal procedure. Mike Maunder didn`t know that Emlyn had gone to meet Caz and only found out in the evening. Mike and Caz became friends on Facebook the same evening.
The intention from the beginning was to present it to the public, which is what is done with all the cases that SUFON reports on. Caz has since said that Emlyn double-crossed her by publicising it. Caz contacted SUFON in the first instance.
If Emlyn hadn’t made the effort to meet, (Steve Drewson wasn’t interested when he learned about the conditions to be met such as putting phones, recording devices, pens etc in a bag), maybe the world wouldn’t have known about the Pentyrch Incident.
"From this point on Gari Jones started the real investigation. Something I thought Richard Hall was going to do 20 months earlier, but never did. Richard Hall went to Llantrisant to film some of the police counter terrorism exercises in June 2016. There were no planes no helicopters in fact the whole exercise was behind a fenced in area and did not filter into the surrounding areas.
Simulated munitions were used, and can be seen and heard, but they did not make the hospital shake, and neither did I hear them in Pentyrch. Moreover, they did not register on the Richter scale in Monmouth 40 miles away. Gari Jones led the investigation with enthusiasm and dedication. Gari and I did not get along to begin with. He thought the events were too fantastical to be real, and initially was very sceptical about the events. But I knew the truth would prevail, and eventually he would find that out. "
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
According to Caz, Gari 'led' the investigation after Emlyns first visit. Bear in mind that Gari had never met Caz at this point and it was only when Emlyn offered to pick Gari up to go to meet Caz and Dave and go to the fields to investigate, did he meet her and then the investigation starts and NOT how he claims in the book.
" Meeting David the first time – Other primary witness.
Though I did not meet Caz Clarke on this occasion it was good for me to
meet two other people who could confirm a lot of other details that would
later be established in this investigation.
When walking the fields for the very first time, David had explained to me
that how he became suspicious of all this was due to a military spotter plane
that was circling the area along with another plane for three days and nights
prior to 26th of February 2016. He would describe how one plane would
circle; then the other would do criss-cross like patterns and between them
they would take it in turns to monitor the fields."
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
Emlyn also took Gari up to Smilog a couple of times. In total we did around 8 visits of Pentyrch Fields and Smilog in which Emlyn and Caz had to pick up Gari as he doesn`t drive. According to Caz at the time, SUFON did a great investigation:
From CUFOG, (Cornish UFO Group):
After the investigation was completed Caz was asked to come to a SUFON meeting for a presentation about the case. This meeting was on 28th March 2018. Emlyn started the talk but started to struggle as he had all his notes on a web browser and there was no wifi in the room, so unfortunately Emlyn stumbled quite a bit and had to be helped out, at the time. He had two jobs and had had little time to prepare properly.
When Caz arrived she was wearing a very bright silver sequined jacket and was pretty excited, although nervous about the evening's talk. After Emlyn had finished, Caz came up to give her speech. Later, Caz & Gari said they wanted to come back and do a talk themselves. This is where Caz has changed details as Caz contacted Mike about their talk they did in August.
As it happens they were due to do the talk in June/July but they got caught in a traffic accident and couldn`t get passed Sarn, so the talk was rearranged for August.
" I contacted Mike Maunder instead, to ask if I could attend their meeting, because I needed to say a few words, and he agreed. On the 2nd May 2018, I made my first, and thought possibly my last speech.
I did not know what was going to happen, but it had to be done. Steve picked me up and drove me to the venue. I was afraid, but I had to go forward.
" We sat near the front and listened to Emlyn talk about the Pentyrch case and how it had been difficult to find me. I heard a woman say behind me, “Yeah, she probably lied.” Steve grabbed me by my arm and said, “You will have your chance, Caz.” After Emlyn had stopped speaking, he said, “You have heard me talk quite a lot about Caz, and tonight she is here! Please put your hands together for Caz!”
A small ripple of applause echoed in the practically empty oversized room. There were about twenty people there.
I stood up and looked at the woman behind me. She was shocked she clearly knew I had heard what she had said. I moved to the front and stood behind the podium clutching the small speech I had written. Scared out of my wits, I began… "
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
This was Caz`s post in SUFON from that night:
Caz would like you to think that Emlyn had put her in danger and was scared and she didn`t want to come, yet the truth was a lot different, even the bit about someone calling her a liar.
Only Caz heard that and no one else as no one had said anything, and yes it would have been heard by a good few others as well as Mike as he was sitting in the front operating the laptop.
She made the claim that the room was nearly empty, but we had roughly 40 or 50 in that meeting, something we often get in all our meetings we hold as they are very well attended and yes, Emlyn had introduced Caz as is normally done with all guest speakers.
"Broken Trust
Emlyn broke the story. Members of his group spread the story amongst the UFO community and in doing so exposed me and my family without a second thought. He told me he wanted the story for his collection and that I would be safe.
After the story broke in October 2017, the BBC Unexplainers contacted me via my Facebook page. They did not seem to have a problem finding me and asked me to go on their show to cover the case, but I refused. I had been betrayed. Now everyone knew who I was. I knew I shouldn’t have trusted him and now it was too late.
Linda Moulton Howe contacted Swansea to speak with me. She wanted to break the story worldwide on Coast-to-Coast Radio. Within a few days Linda Moulton Howe telephoned me. I could not believe it. I had been put on the spot. Linda asked me about the events, and I spelled out to her what had happened.
She told me that military personnel had confirmed since the 1980’s and 90’s there is a secret war going on between human military forces and an extra-terrestrial entity, but that none would go on the record.
She made me feel comfortable and we talked for hours on the phone. I sat agreeing with everything she said, like suddenly I knew everything, but I had no clue about the UFO world. She blew me away with the things she told me. She is an extraordinary lady, and she gave me some of the benefit of her 70 years on his planet. I did the interview with her, even though I was still a little guarded, after all she was the first person I had spoken to, except Emlyn."
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
Surely Caz is not that naive as to think that, after the case was made public with her permission, which she and Dave had agreed to, and then talking about it herself in public, that people wouldn`t talk about it. It`s the same with every meeting. And it`s the same after she and Gari went on to talk at other conferences. People talk.
Caz now says she was betrayed in the beginning, but even in 2018 was singing the praises of SUFON.
The BBC Wales radio show, 'The Unexplainers' contacted Caz, only after Emlyn asked her for her permission to pass on her contact details first.
Linda Moulton-Howe: actually it was one of SUFON members who knew Linda and he contacted her and Jeff Rense, both based in America. Caz knew all this and as Linda was a well known name, Caz only wanted to talk to Linda even though Jeff wanted to interview Caz first.
Linda then contacted SUFON and we gave her Caz`s contact details. Linda then contacted Caz who agreed to be interviewed, along with Gari by Linda. SUFON were also interviewed for the same programme, separately, represented by Emlyn and Mike.
Caz was not put on the spot because we had to get permission from her to pass on her contact details, but it seems she'd like others to think differently.
Mike was usually a point of contact due to the fact Emlyn had two jobs and was often working away so it made sense, especially as Mike was around and online a lot more than Emlyn.
In August 2018 Caz and Gari did a presentation at the SUFON meeting at the New Lodge. When they arrived they brought some pop-up advertising banners, and other equipment which Caz had invested in. This by a person who has claimed Emlyn had put her life in danger. They also ran a raffle. The road show had started.
While they were there, Caz gave her speech and at the end asked for witnesses to come forward, and displayed an email they were using.
After this meeting they went around the UK talking at conferences, groups, podcasts, youtube, to anyone who`d listen and are still doing this. Again, this by a person who has claimed Emlyn had put her life in danger!
" I glanced around the room not knowing if the military were present as I had done my best to praise them for my own safety, even though I did not believe what they did that night was right.
I took my seat and waited for Emlyn to finish addressing the group. After the meeting had finished three ladies approached me. It was the three from Richard halls conference! I had not seen them in over two years and had always regretted not taking their numbers and here they were standing in front of me. What were the chances?
This was a positive sign and so my quest to release the truth to the world began. Gari had been a member of Emlyn’s group as an investigator for some time before getting involved with the Pentyrch Incident but after what happened to me and the risks Emlyn had exposed me to, he was furious. After expressing concerns for my safety, Gari left the club."
Source: 'The Pentyrch Incident' by Caz Clarke and Gari Jones 2021.
Gari was a member of SUFON for about 14/18 months in total. He came to a few meetings but not all. He joined the SUFON team to help investigate Caz`s and Dave's sighting on 17th October 2017, and left SUFON around 17th October 2018.
During the summer of 2018, Emlyn and Mike made arrangements for a North Wales trip. Gari said he`d come so we went around June time, and met up with a few people: Margaret Fry, Scott Felton, and Gary Rowe. Emlyn had made arrangements to meet up with Margaret Pritchard in Denbigh about a sighting the family had one night in 2012, in which there was some interesting video footage.
We met up and then visited the site on foot before going back home. After we got back, we started to investigate/research Denbigh as a team. As time was going on Emlyn was still holding down two jobs.
Gari was getting very impatient and he wanted to go back up to re-interview the Pritchards. The plan was that we`d all go back up to do it as a team, that was the plan, but Gari decided he wasn`t going to wait and went off on his own. And that was the last time we worked or spoke with Gari.
After he came back he decided to publish 'The Denbigh Lights' for himself without any mention of SUFON, and we didn`t see him again until the Cornish Conference.
As you can see things were already fracturing around September 2018 and it was only a matter of time until drifting apart after the Cornish Conference. Gari wanted to do things by himself, which he is entitled to do and we don't hold that against him.
The 'Bald Patch'
While we were involved with taking EMF readings, it was pretty obvious that sheep used that field a lot as there were there more often than not.
The 'bald patch' as Gari and Caz have called it, was not so bald as it`s made out to be in 2021 and looked like a big patch of thistles, you can see why the farmer cleared the field, so there`s a lot more grass for the sheep to eat.
After the book was released later in 2021, the farmer cleared the field of the marsh reeds, including the 'bald patch' with the attendant gorse bushes. Caz has made out that this has been done because of her book! The farmer (who is a new tenant) is often around the area, so why wasn`t he asked? Or was he? And was it was just by coincidence that the field was cleared two days after the book came out. It`s far better to make out it`s a conspiracy to fit the narrative.
An Observation
Going off at a bit of a tangent but pretty relevant, is the claim that a UFO was shot down. There were zero witnesses to anything being shot down and this supposition is based on conjecture. Most researchers and others will struggle with this claim just like we did. Zero witnesses is a very big stumbling block.
There`s many a documented account/testimony of attempts to shoot down UFOs, but with weapon firing systems apparently being shut down.
The Tehran Incident is one famous account - The 1976 Tehran UFO Incident was a radar and visual sighting of an unidentified object (UFO) over Tehran, the capital of Iran, during the early morning hours of 19 September 1976. During the incident, two Imperial Iranian Air Force F-4 Phantom 11 jet interceptors reported losing instrumentation and communications as they approached the object. These were restored upon withdrawal. One of the aircraft also reported a temporary weapons systems failure while the crew was preparing to open fire.
And there`s this in the UK in 1997, 19 years before 26th Feb 2016 , in which 2 Tornado`s attempted to shoot down a UFO:
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During an investigation you have to be open minded and not biased or heavily biased. You can then sort the wheat out from the chaff and whittle things down but with a biased point of view you will only have one outcome and that is no means accurate or proof.
Here is Caz talking about Emlyn wanting to write a book about it again! Why on earth would we do that? This is more disinformation and lies. We think we`ve proved without any doubt just who the liars are.
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There was a book and movie deal that Caz was planning but we knew in 2021 that Caz had turned down the movie deal but the book was the first part in getting the deal.
Caz wasn`t happy that she might not have had full control of the book so she turned that down and then published it herself. Contrary to Gari`s recent comment, it doesn`t cost thousands of pounds to self publish and it`s obviously been self-published, as no sensible publisher would have agreed to go with it with its slanderous and libellous content, with defamation of character and character assassination.
Swansea UFO Network (including Gari Jones as he was a team member from 2017-2018) worked as a team getting the EMF readings and not Gari Jones on his own. He doesn`t drive and we picked him up and took him to Pentyrch and Smilog and back several times to take readings and do field research. He is another person who can`t get his facts right.
We told Caz by message and phone and Gari verbally face to face, that you cannot use the geiger counter readings because they were null and void as we didn`t have a base sample to calibrate the geiger counter and it wasn`t on the correct settings. We'd had no training and were just trying it out. It is 1971 Polish Army issue and is considered by an expert who we showed it to recently, as a museum piece and good for nothing!
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Caz`s response was that it was made for a purpose and without doubt detected radiation. That didn`t stop them from running with it regardless what we told them.
If it wasn`t for Emlyn there wouldn`t have been any field research let alone EMF readings. Mike and Gari handled the EMF surveys. No one but Mike, Emlyn and Gari did the EMF and radiation readings apart from Smilog. Caz bought some garden canes and ribbons to mark out the EMF trail .
Caz`s friends and neighbours took no part whatsoever at the Pentyrch fields while we were involved. There were plenty of photos with Emlyn and Mike in, yet none with friends and neighbours.
At the end of the day it doesn`t matter if they are trying to write us out of the research as we're not really interested about it at all any more. BUT we do care about being truthful.
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Here`s Gari ranting on his timeline about the Sky History programme, still slandering Emlyn and SUFON, without whom there wouldn`t have been an investigation.
When did SUFON take any credit in five years since we did the original investigation? We hardly said anything or advertised it anywhere. We haven`t talked about it at public events as we`d had enough by October 2018 and Mike had deleted much of the material/data.
Gari and Caz had all the credit and they accused us of glory hunting. There are only two people glory hunting and their names start with C and G.
Then there`s: "They`ve been trying to undermine the case!" Seriously? Another of Gari's baseless disinformation lies.
The pair have been trying to destroy Emlyn Williams and SUFON since the Colwinston case collapsed, that`s obvious for everyone to see.
Caz sent us pm`s and texts stating she won`t be second fiddle to a case that got sent into SUFON. She now wanted us to work as a team even though they've been running the case for five years (effectively shutting out SUFON from the research we did).
Caz told us we cannot use the name Pentyrch Incident, cannot mention her name, use videos or images as she`s copyrighted everything.
Caz messaged Mike on 6th Feb 2022 to say that she knew Ellis Evans had put a copyright claim on a short appeal video that he did for them at their talk for SUFON which is on her website (Gari had had a big argument with Ellis who was filming meetings for us at the time, because Ellis had blurred out faces in the audience of Caz and Gari`s talk in August 2018), and she told us that we can`t use the audio.
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That`s just another hatchet job on Emlyn and SUFON, without whom there wouldn`t have been an investigation.
Since when did SUFON take any credit in five years since we did the original investigation, as we haven`t hardly said anything or advertised it anywhere as we`d had enough by October 2018 and Mike had deleted much of the material/data.
Gari and Caz had all the credit and they have accused us of glory hunting.
Then there`s: "They`ve been trying to undermine the case!" Seriously? Another of Gari's baseless disinformation lies.
The pair have been trying to destroy Emlyn Williams and SUFON since the Colwinston case collapsed, that`s obvious for everyone to see.
The 'Hate Campaign'
Lets now have a look at Tom Jacks' claim about a hate campaign. This was actually an argument between two friends, Mike Maunder had been admin of Facebook group: Bristol Wales UFO Group along with Tom Jacks and Gwen Blyth for about 3/4 years.
Tom was well aware of the struggles that Mike, Emlyn and SUFON were having on a regular basis as it was discussed in the group chat and by pm`s. An obvious hate campaign was being directed by Caz and Gari.
Tom actually took a day or so to reply to Mike`s outburst in the private chat. He knew exactly what he was clicking on as he had obviously looked at the post before commenting and not what he`s now claiming that he didn't.
These messages totally contradict Tom`s post about a hate campaign instigated by SUFON and they show Tom was well aware of the hate campaign against SUFON. They also document and show the hate campaign against SUFON over a period of a few years when Mike was admin of the group and good friends with Tom Jacks.
Mike had sent Tom a pm and NOT a 3 page email in what Tom or Caz are claiming, as Mike doesn`t know Tom Jacks email address.
Mike has all the BWUFO admin chat and Tom Jacks pm`s which show how long it`s been going on and it was mentioned quite a lot in both Tom Jacks pm`s and in the chat group messages, but it was people chatting about it and certainly not a hate campaign against Caz & Gari.
The messages also show why Gari was removed from the group and also a few times it was discussed about Gari`s comments and his posts.
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we are unable to share contents from personal messages.
Should Tom have put such a post up in a group, after a falling out of two friends? Tom couldn`t even spell Mike`s name correctly. I guess not, but he knew what he was doing and knew it would cause a lot more problems for us. Don`t forget we`ve got a lot of evidence to back up what we say in which it totally disproves Caz and Gari`s claims about a hate campaign.
BWUFO chat messages totally contradict Tom Jack`s post (in which Tom couldn`t spell Mike`s name correctly, even after four years), about the hate campaign. They show that Tom was well aware of the hate campaign against SUFON.
Tom was a total disbeliever of Caz Clarke and Gari Jones until he and Mike fell out (chat messages show this). It also documents and shows the hate campaign against SUFON since 2018, when Mike was admin of the group. It was discussed quite a lot. So basically Tom`s post above is based on lies and disinformation.
We have these messages but due to legal reasons we can`t post them.
At around the same time, Gari was removed from the group for breaking group rules by using offensive words on more than a couple of occasions.
The BWUFO Admin chat messages show discussions between Mike,Tom and Gwen Blythe about Gari`s behaviour in the group and why he was removed from the page.
It also documents and shows the hate campaign against SUFON over a period of a few years when Mike was admin of the group and it was often discussed.
Shown below is a post in the group that was removed by Tom Jacks on the 3/19/21 for breaking group rules regarding bad language. As it happens, Gari had a lot more chances than most, about his behaviour. Mike knew it would cause friction if Gari was removed from the group.
As you can see Gari comes across as aggressive and
foul mouthed and you can plainly see why he was removed from the group! In fact, Gari wasn`t removed from the group after this post and he continued with his inapropriate comments on posts in the group, some comments got removed some didn`t.
Anyone can behave like this on their own timeline, but this kind of behaviour is not tolerated in any group.
Another gem from Mr. Jones shown below.
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No not at all! But Gari's conspiracy-filled mind and lies/disinformation by Tom Jacks has made it so. Also due to the fact that both Gari and Caz only have bad words to say about SUFON and Emlyn in particular since 2018, it was an ideal opportunity to dig the knife into SUFON yet again.
Not happy with his post, Gari took it upon himself to phone Emlyn. But as soon as Emlyn realised who it was he hung up and wouldn`t answer. Gari then sent Emlyn a threat by text.
This is not how researchers should behave:
"You better tell the people attacking Caz to back the fuck off Or i will personally come down there and sort them out myself. Fucking cowards"
For Gari's information, and whoever else, Jonathan Davies and Dave Partridge have no affiliation to SUFON. They aren`t members and don`t come to meetings. Jonathan Davies gave a talk about his experiences to SUFON while he was a member of the team, but he left SUFON in November 2021. With that in mind neither of them would have been there and Gari would have turned his aggression towards Emlyn and Mike.
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We are not liable for his thoughts or comments, just like we aren`t liable for Dave Partridge`s or anyone else call`s into question Caz and Gari`s account of the so called Pentyrch Incident and there`s a lot out there that do but that`s not our fault as, again, it`s called freedom of speech.
But seeing as Gari and Caz have been attacking SUFON and Emlyn for eight months solid with baseless lies, disinformation and conjecture, most people will stick up for us as they know that these two have got an agenda against us, that`s obvious for many people to see.
Anyone would realise, after a little research on comments by Swansea UFO Network, Emlyn Williams or Mike Maunder that they would hardly find anything, anywhere about Caz Clarke, Gari Jones or the Pentyrch Incident since at least 2018 in public. Just scroll down our respective Facebook pages.
Emlyn has stayed off Facebook completely for a considerable time, apart from the Swansea UFO Network page. This was due to all the negativity that`s been aimed at him and Swansea UFO Network. Mike has also stayed away from Facebook, apart from Swansea UFO Network page due to the same reasons.
While all this is going on, Ben Emlyn-Jones kindly agreed to do a talk at SUFON's March 2022 meeting. He asked Gari and Caz to come to the talk, knowing the anger they`ve displayed for 8 months about us, they declined, unsurprisingly.
Caz saying, 'no issues' when she`d been clearly committing slander, libel, defamation of character and character assassination in many, many posts, comments, live streams, articles, podcasts and most certainly in the book! Don`t forget Gari`s rants and text message.
With regard her comments above, about with-holding photos, she had the photos on the day we took the Colwinston witnesses to meet her! Via Bluetooth off his phone! And also shared by Mike.
We have no control about what other people think or their comments or what they do as they have nothing to do with us. But Caz & Gari like to make out that it`s all SUFON's doing, when they get negative press or comments.
SUFON has hardly ever said anything publicly about them, certainly nothing of a derogatory nature until Emlyn's statement on SUFON's Facebook page, and that`s wasn`t derogatory, it was factual. He felt he had to break his silence after months of being attacked by Caz and Gari.
Both Emlyn and Mike were on the verge of packing Ufology/SUFON in as the whole business was taking a toll on their mental health. Depression, stress and anxiety, unable to sleep, unable to eat, weight loss, suicidal thoughts and wanting to leave what we love to do and are passionate about.
When Mike read this and it gave him the boost he needed to start the fight back and has worked tirelessly on this article ever since.
Gari felt the need to do a two-hour expletive rant all about Emlyn's post, on a Facebook livestream. He claimed that he'd been with SUFON for 3 or 4 years.
SUFON was formed in April 2015. Gari started to come to meetings in 2017 and then joined the team on the 17th October 2017 to investigate Pentyrch. He then left SUFON in October 2018 to go round the country with Caz to promote 'The Pentyrch Incident.'
This proves Gari`s claim that he was with SUFON for 3 or 4 years and a team member for that time is just based on fantasy with zero truth to his claim.
If that was the case then he was with SUFON for a year before it was formed! And he came to meetings at the Welcome Inn, yet he didn`t. In fact, Gari was only an active member for about 14-18 months. He didn`t attend all SUFON meetings from January 2017 as he had to rely on his father for lifts to the meetings.
While Gari was part of the SUFON team all he did was research Pentyrch and go up to North Wales on a group trip. He was also an admin member of the Swansea UFO Network Facebook page in which he argued with Greg Hardman for around 3 weeks on the public post about Pentyrch and then blocked Greg from the page. It really makes us laugh with his "I know the intricate workings of the team and what they are like." He played no other part or was involved with anything else that we did.
Gari has also claimed that Emlyn had outed him as an experiencer during a podcast. But Gari had publicly done this himself previously on one of his Facebook profiles which was there about a year before he deleted his profile. So it was already in the public domain, If his profile was still there then so would be the post. Gari probably won`t admit to that though.
Gari also ranted that Emlyn and Mike are writing a book about the Pentyrch case. More fantasy and disinformation! No publisher has ever been contacted, and no book on anything is under way.
And regardless of that last fact, SUFON, Emlyn, Mike or any researcher are well within their rights to research this case and write a book about it. Caz Clarke and Gari Jones do not own this case, no more than, say, the whole Roswell case being owned by Jesse Marcell and Stanton Friedman. It belongs to us all.
This is two minutes of Gari ranting about a book and Emlyn during his two hour livestream rant, we were apparently making a book back in 20/21 but we knew nothing about this until this livestream, you really can`t make this up, another reason why we no longer believe what they say.
This is yet again more fantasy and lies being spread by Caz and Gari, he also admits sending derogatory messages to Emlyn.
The next bit of questionable material to look at is shown below. This reeks of desperation and we think they are clutching at straws with this one.
Caz and Gari won`t agree with that as they are always right even when they are wrong and of course this will be seen as trolling rather than constructive criticism, educating.
The photo was pitch black and wouldn`t have caught anything unless it had lights visible and also that would`ve been quite high in the sky, a bit too high considering it was supposed to be rather large and low down. It also looks nothing like Caz`s artist impression in which she claims it looked more or less the same.
That`s more than likely an effect due to cropping and editing rather than a craft in pitch blackness. This might be thought of as a de-bunking exercise, but please be aware that these are the photos that they say we haven't given them and they've manipulated them to fit the narrative!
Gari Posted this on the 16th of Feb 2022, including all his typos and capitals:
" This could be huge THIS COULD BE OUR PYRAMID, WE NEED THE ORIGINALS THOUGH TO CONFIRM 100%
One of the photo`s given from the person in Colwinston SUFON gave us before, here is an enhanced image (purple photo), look how they match the 2 primary witness`s
It has been analysed by someone i respect, initial results strongly suggest this is NOT PIXELATION and not a NOT A SPOT ON THE LENS... THIS IS AN OBJECT BEING PHOTGRAPHED and DISTORTING the surrounding AIR. "Below is the photo in question and you wouldn`t get anything from a pitch black photo apart from the orange bit down the bottom. The only thing you`ll get is artefacts during editing.
These edited/enhanced images have suffered from compression artefact in which the more you zoom in and crop the more the object will become blurry and then finally pixelated. To avoid J-peg compression artefact, images should be saved in RAW Mode to avoid J-peg compression artefact. But how many people know about that?
Not only that, it wasn't supposed to be overhead or very very close to Colwinston when the photos were taken. If so it would have been a lot larger in the photos than he's making out and not a tiny speck. Besides this was around 15 miles from Pentyrch.
Text message from Caz to Mike:
"Just so you know I have deleted the photos from my Facebook page. I did this because I do not recognise any of the objects as anything I saw that night. Also I am starting to smell a rat. I have to be careful not to endorse something that may turn out to be a fake. The witnesses lied to me about having the video and when I told them I didn't recognise the picture what I saw were red and green they then come up with a second picture of a red and green object, again I don't recognise them as being what I saw.
There is a completely black background with no reference points and they still have not sent the original photos for analysis. Something is not sitting right with me maybe just maybe they are not afraid at all for themselves perhaps it is because the pictures are fakes and it has been done deliberately to discredit the case and me. If I do get to see the video and I do not recognise it the meta data must be seen to prove it is genuine. Right now I am disassociating myself from any evidence they provide until the originals have been tested."
And of course it will be black because it was night time at 2.30 am. She makes no mention that she was told to remove an image by the witnesses, (via Emlyn). She just says that she deleted them.
The new witnesses had more photos than the first five and they had a video which we were trying to get hold of but Caz destroyed any chance of this.
Then there`s the fact that Caz is now saying that the latest artist's impression which is printed in the book and shown on her website, is more or less what she saw (the large, long golden pyramid-type object).
It looks nothing like the above enhanced photo. That also rang alarm bells and didn`t make sense. None of their followers mentioned anything about that, but it looked nothing like her original descriptions or drawings.
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Also, we again need to note that Caz has claimed a barrel-type object near the gate shone a light on her. Dave said this was light emanating from it rather than being projected, which matches her original statement.
Their followers never question anything they say. They believe them regardless of the facts. Maybe some do but we know people get blocked for questioning them as we get messages from people about this.
Here`s another of Gari`s posts in which it shows exactly what we`ve just mentioned about compression artefact:
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This is information that every researcher should be aware of when analysing images, images should be saved in RAW Mode and not JPG to avoid compression artefact.
Any respectable researcher would not be putting out disinformation like this as it leaves them open to being ridiculed. Here is a link to explain.
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From a Metabunk article written by someone who knows what they're talking about:
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We all did the EMF readings, Emlyn, Mike and Gari. We only used the metal detector once on the first visit taking readings. Caz bought garden canes and ribbon to mark them out. Her neighbours didn`t take any readings while we were present in eight field visits.
We didn`t receive or take any money for being on the Sky History show, yet another claim of Caz and Gari that we`ve found fault with. Here is the email we never replied to to claim our money. Look at the dates and date in bottom right.
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Caz crying wolf and playing the victim as usual, blaming everyone else apart from herself .
There is only one witch hunt going on, the one Caz Clarke, Gari Jones have conducted over the last eight months or so and continue to do so. The only people who make false accusations and tell lies in which we`ve more than proved in this article. We`ve never admitted there was a witch hunt as there never was one from us but she's claimed there is one many times.
There has been no bitching back and fore, it`s a one way tirade and yet again more lies from Caz & Gari. If anything, it has already damaged Caz and Gari as they can`t stick to facts and just continually spout lies about us time and time again.
Calling the Pentyrch case one of the biggest cases in the world and biggest UFO cover up of modern times/worldwide, are absolute howlers and self proclaimed, it`s only because they say it`s so. There are far, far bigger cases out there.
We`ve been professional from day one. Emlyn admits that he did inadvertently mention Dave's real first name at a barbi at Caz's house in 2021, amongst a small group of people who have an interest in the subject. They now claim that he outed a witness. Dave was there at the time, but not bothered. It was only his first name, but it didn't stop Caz making use of it by attempting blackmail. No one was outed online or elsewhere, just between a small group of people in which nothing happened apart from Caz and Gari constantly going on about it just to dig the knife into Emlyn yet again. Caz did far far worse than Emlyn ever did and she has put anonymous witness in danger (to quote Caz Clarke)
We remain in very good relations with Dave to this day. He has no ego nor axe to grind and there is a lot of mutual respect between us. Dave is the only dependable witness of the Pentyrch Incident and he's the only one who has stuck to his story and has not embellished anything.
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Here is Caz yet again lying and spreading disinformation in a transcript from her Youtube livestream. Yet more slander and disinformation in posts, comments and during the livestream in which people believe what she said.
It was due to Caz publicly attacking the new witnesses in a Facebook post and then publicly attacking SUFON because we didn`t give her the video that we have never been in possession of.
Apparently Emlyn has a friend at RAF St Athan! That`s news to Emlyn and Mike! Yet more disinformation trying to sour our name.
She has obviously expanded on a witness who came forward in 2018, who was part of the military exercise and based at St Athan, which was discussed earlier. He's not Emlyn's friend, as they met just once.
By the way, RAF St Athan ceased to exist in 2006, since then it`s been referred to as MOD St Athan.
Many of Caz and Gari`s podcasts, livestreams, Youtube streams over the last year or so are all the same there`s too many to mention but they have all got Slander against SUFON in the content itself and also amongst comments.
Conclusion
This article documents some of the lengths that Caz Clarke and Gari Jones have gone to, in spreading disinformation about SUFON.
If you put 'Caz Clarke' or 'Pentyrch Incident' into a search engine or youtube, it comes up with hundreds of links to anything that has been written, including podcasts, interviews filmed on youtube or elsewhere.
If Caz is actually shadow banned, as she asserts, there would be no links or youtube videos shown in searches. So how is it possible that Caz is shadow banned? And all these links and videos can be found easily enough, it doesn`t make sense.
We`ll just address the donation thing that they keep going on about in podcasts, comments and posts as they keep mentioning it and clearly have no idea. It costs about £20 to hire the room for our monthly meetings. We pay guest speakers' travelling expenses and hotel accommodation. Plus, some have a fee on top. If they are travelling considerable distances, this can all cost anywhere between £70 - £300 per meeting in total. Yes, running a club isn`t cheap or free.
We don`t charge an admission fee like other clubs and groups, preferring it to be affordable for those that attend and none of us have won the lottery to pay for it. We have the largest attendance of any UFO group in the country at a monthly meeting. Maybe the donation system works?
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What! Release what information? And she's remained silent? What slander? We think she`ll find that we`ve told the truth above and we have a substantial amount of evidence that we haven`t shown, yet.
We do not believe anything what Caz and Gari say anymore as we`ve found a substantial amount of disinformation and lies they been claiming about us and other claims they have made, some of which are in this article. To be an investigator you need to be openminded and not biased.
Because people have debunked some of Caz and Gari`s claims, Caz and Gari have then wrongly called these people trolls, shills etc etc.
Again debunkers and researchers only prove that claims are wrong and usually show facts to prove this. Some people don`t like truthful facts as it goes against what they wish to believe and it shows Caz and Gari don`t know as much as they think they do, if they do they just ignore it.
With this in mind, we request that they remove the book 'The Pentyrch Incident' from sale until all mention of Swansea UFO Network, Mike Maunder and Emlyn Williams are deleted from the content and reprinted accordingly.
Also, they should remove all the slanderous, libellous comments, posts and livestreams about Swansea UFO Network, Emlyn Williams and Mike Maunder and a public apology would not go amiss!
If Caz and Gari wish to take this further here is our office address for their Solicitor: - Swansea UFO Network, High Street Arcade,10-11 High Street, SWANSEA, SA1 1LE.